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[google-appengine] Google has fixed 30 of 707 bugs reported in the past 12 months
pdknsk
2016-11-03 03:04:02 UTC
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https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id

^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id

^ 322 are still open.

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-status%3Afixed&sort=-id

^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and the
like).

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id

^ 30 were fixed.

14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.

That makes 10 bugs fixed by the App Engine "Engineering Team".
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Vinuth Madinur
2016-11-03 03:26:36 UTC
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Wow. So much love for App Engine.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?
can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?
can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?
can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-
status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and the
like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?
can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
That makes 10 bugs fixed by the App Engine "Engineering Team".
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PK
2016-11-04 00:19:03 UTC
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I remember the days I cared about these metrics. Now I take this lack of progress as granted and work around the issues. Franky, I am happy every day that I have not received the dreaded GAE deprecation e-mail. Unless of course they have already started deprecating GAE the long way: one service at a time.

Of course the sad thing is that this path is a self fulfilling prophecy, because the developers will not feel comfortable to start other projects or to recommend GAE to others. So eventually they will look at the number of the issues and the number of the remaining customers and they will say: "Our goal is to continue to do a better job of delivering reliable, performant, and full featured services. This means deprecating those APIs that have little to zero usage on our system to free up resources for newer, better performing products.”

It is sad because I am so happy with GAE otherwise, but because of the uncertainty I just cannot see myself starting other projects or recommending it to others.

PK
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and the like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
That makes 10 bugs fixed by the App Engine "Engineering Team".
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Mark Cummins
2016-11-04 19:52:17 UTC
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I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
2016-11-17 18:42:06 UTC
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Hi there folks,

Apologies for the delayed response. We definitely hear you in that our
existing public issue tracker has not been kept up to date as best as we’d
like. That being said, a few comments on the original post here.

As mentioned, many issues have been closed as duplicate, invalid, etc.
I’ve scanned through a bunch of these issues and they all involve a member
of the Cloud Support team working with the user who posted the issue. The
final comment in these issues include a description of why the issue was
being closed with the specific status. As well, a lot of the issues logged
are unique problems with customer applications and not necessarily issues
with the platform.

Our Cloud Support team has been doing a great job at triaging the issues as
they come in. A lot of these issues have been later overlooked as we are
missing a connection between our internal and external system.

There are plans underway to migrate the public issue tracker to a new
system. In preparation we will soon be doing a bankruptcy of sorts, on
issues that are quite old and have not been modified in some time. We’ll
post full details to this group in advance. Once the new system is in
place we will do our best to keep the issues in good shape.

Regarding the App Engine standard environment, there is no deprecation
coming. We are excited about the updates to the App Engine flexible
environment that were just announced
<https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/python/upgrading>, which
will run alongside the standard environment. We are committed to both
environments, with both providing unique advantages. We are also excited
about upcoming enhancements to the standard environment that will start to
show up early in 2017, beginning with the Java 8 runtime.

Cheers,

Lorne.
Post by Mark Cummins
I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at
Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned
in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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PK
2016-11-18 19:34:28 UTC
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Hi Lorne,

thanks for your reassuring message. Many of us love GAE Standard and our customers depend on it so we are glad to hear this update.

Having said that, actions speak louder than words: Most of the recent announcements on GAE Standard have been about deprecations, new releases come out rarely and I do not remember when an API was improved or a new API was last announced. At the same time, you have cut the prices on GCE, a newer GCP offering at least twice since its introduction but never for GAE.

Then again, GAE has been very stable, we had no downtime this year because of GAE issues and this is also very much appreciated. We will be following the developments closely.

Best,
PK
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Hi there folks,
Apologies for the delayed response. We definitely hear you in that our existing public issue tracker has not been kept up to date as best as we’d like. That being said, a few comments on the original post here.
As mentioned, many issues have been closed as duplicate, invalid, etc. I’ve scanned through a bunch of these issues and they all involve a member of the Cloud Support team working with the user who posted the issue. The final comment in these issues include a description of why the issue was being closed with the specific status. As well, a lot of the issues logged are unique problems with customer applications and not necessarily issues with the platform.
Our Cloud Support team has been doing a great job at triaging the issues as they come in. A lot of these issues have been later overlooked as we are missing a connection between our internal and external system.
There are plans underway to migrate the public issue tracker to a new system. In preparation we will soon be doing a bankruptcy of sorts, on issues that are quite old and have not been modified in some time. We’ll post full details to this group in advance. Once the new system is in place we will do our best to keep the issues in good shape.
Regarding the App Engine standard environment, there is no deprecation coming. We are excited about the updates to the App Engine flexible environment that were just announced <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/python/upgrading>, which will run alongside the standard environment. We are committed to both environments, with both providing unique advantages. We are also excited about upcoming enhancements to the standard environment that will start to show up early in 2017, beginning with the Java 8 runtime.
Cheers,
Lorne.
I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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George Bittmann
2016-11-18 20:37:08 UTC
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Thanks for the reply. A lot of us who have been seeking support and/or
signs of life are going to be happy to hear this.
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Hi there folks,
Apologies for the delayed response. We definitely hear you in that our
existing public issue tracker has not been kept up to date as best as we’d
like. That being said, a few comments on the original post here.
As mentioned, many issues have been closed as duplicate, invalid, etc.
I’ve scanned through a bunch of these issues and they all involve a member
of the Cloud Support team working with the user who posted the issue. The
final comment in these issues include a description of why the issue was
being closed with the specific status. As well, a lot of the issues logged
are unique problems with customer applications and not necessarily issues
with the platform.
Our Cloud Support team has been doing a great job at triaging the issues
as they come in. A lot of these issues have been later overlooked as we
are missing a connection between our internal and external system.
There are plans underway to migrate the public issue tracker to a new
system. In preparation we will soon be doing a bankruptcy of sorts, on
issues that are quite old and have not been modified in some time. We’ll
post full details to this group in advance. Once the new system is in
place we will do our best to keep the issues in good shape.
Regarding the App Engine standard environment, there is no deprecation
coming. We are excited about the updates to the App Engine flexible
environment that were just announced
<https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/python/upgrading>,
which will run alongside the standard environment. We are committed to
both environments, with both providing unique advantages. We are also
excited about upcoming enhancements to the standard environment that will
start to show up early in 2017, beginning with the Java 8 runtime.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Mark Cummins
I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at
Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned
in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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Kaan Soral
2016-11-20 04:28:45 UTC
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Thanks for the reply, it was good to see

As a small feedback, in essence and core, we all embraced appengine as it
was a unified solution, each and every service amplifies the experience, so
instead of deprecating these valuable services, please add to them instead

Two very basic examples are "images" and "mail", we've lost "mail", and
with the resolution increases in recent years, the limits of "images"
started being actual limits

As another constructive suggestion, it would be nice to receive regular
emails from Google Cloud, maybe we could opt-in to gae specifically, and
receive updates of everything new, fixed and improved
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'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
2016-11-22 22:45:28 UTC
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Hi Kaan,

On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the Google
Cloud Platform by following these steps:

1. Access the Cloud Platform Console

2. Click the “3 vertical dots” on the top-right section of the menu

3. Navigate to preferences->Updates & Offers

4. Set email to “On” for Feature announcements

By doing this, you will receive emails about the latest feature
announcements on the Cloud Platform.

Cheers,

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'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
2016-11-23 01:27:31 UTC
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Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot
brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.

There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here
is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging
effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system.
That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we
believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have
been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.

Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google
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Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the Google
1. Access the Cloud Platform Console
2. Click the “3 vertical dots” on the top-right section of the menu
3. Navigate to preferences->Updates & Offers
4. Set email to “On” for Feature announcements
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Cheers,
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Mark Cummins
2016-11-24 12:39:17 UTC
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Thank you for this update, very reassuring and makes me very happy!
Personally I'm not too worried about some of the more exotic and less-used
services being deprecated, so long as their are reasonable migration paths
and the overall platform remains available.
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot
brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here
is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging
effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system.
That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we
believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have
been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the Google
1. Access the Cloud Platform Console
2. Click the “3 vertical dots” on the top-right section of the menu
3. Navigate to preferences->Updates & Offers
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Cheers,
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Kaan Soral
2016-11-24 13:06:33 UTC
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Hi

Thanks a lot for the reply again

For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ - the
1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)

If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic resizing
at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love appengine
because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of depreciating
such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for example, a "videos"
service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video processing, if we compare
it to the ease of using the images service, it's a heavy burden

@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails,
so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the
world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as
turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients,
so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling
incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot
brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here
is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging
effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system.
That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we
believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have
been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the Google
1. Access the Cloud Platform Console
2. Click the “3 vertical dots” on the top-right section of the menu
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George Bittmann
2016-11-25 13:36:14 UTC
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Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ - the
1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails,
so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the
world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as
turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients,
so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling
incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot
brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective
here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a
challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the
system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and
we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements
have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
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Kaan Soral
2016-11-25 13:38:16 UTC
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It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Post by George Bittmann
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ - the
1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails,
so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the
world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as
turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients,
so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling
incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a
lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective
here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a
challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the
system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and
we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements
have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the
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Mark Cummins
2016-11-25 15:03:00 UTC
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@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable
and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big
problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of
an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and
XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those
deprecations.
Post by Kaan Soral
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Post by George Bittmann
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ -
the 1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send
mails, so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end
of the world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using
apps as turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their
clients, so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were
handling incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a
lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective
here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a
challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the
system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and
we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements
have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the
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Kaan Soral
2016-11-25 15:59:13 UTC
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I agree, and I suspected you were talking about "Prospective Search", it
always seemed too specific, however, "Channels" were truly unique and
useful, if it was a scalable service, I would definitely use it - and I'm
saddened by it's passing (I use polling heavily on one project, and have a
nodejs/websocket system in another, if "Channels" bloomed, it would enrich
the experience significantly)

As my .02 for the original post, I somehow gave up on support long ago, but
it's not entirely bad either, as it is, appengine is very mature, and even
if it received 0 updates for years, it would still be useful - but -
indeed, receiving swift and practical technical support would've been great
- this was my recent technical
challenge: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY
- It's a bizarre one, when contention for one entity occurs, it's like the
transaction is proceeding with a corrupt ndb system, and causing an
exception that halts the execution, Instead of creating a public issue
tracker issue, I ended up re-structuring my architecture so contention is
less likely, it seemed like the easier option, I really didn't have the
energy to go through the issue tracker process
Post by Mark Cummins
@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable
and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big
problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of
an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and
XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those
deprecations.
Post by Kaan Soral
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Post by George Bittmann
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ -
the 1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send
mails, so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end
of the world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using
apps as turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their
clients, so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were
handling incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a
lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective
here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a
challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the
system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and
we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements
have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the
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PK
2016-11-25 19:41:47 UTC
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Channels are not exotic, we have been using them heavily and is a headache for us to migrate.

This attitude of some GAE users to only care about the features they use and call the other features exotic and in the cutting block is not helpful. Keep in mind that what goes around comes around and the feature you depend on will be next. If you do not use a feature that gets deprecated at least stay silent and thankful. After all, for many GCP users with IaaS mentality the whole GAE is exotic...

If this is how GCP does business maybe they should post a Dashboard of each feature and how many customers use it so we know what to stay away from..

--PK

PS btw I have been spending the thanksgiving holiday figuring out how to migrate to a different log system and avoid/minimize the 30% price hike coming on Dec 5. A lot of fun and good progress but I have customer features to work on and would have preferred to be working on those instead. I picked GAE so that I do not spend my resources doing platform work and here I am day in/day out spending time rewriting and retesting things that were working.
I agree, and I suspected you were talking about "Prospective Search", it always seemed too specific, however, "Channels" were truly unique and useful, if it was a scalable service, I would definitely use it - and I'm saddened by it's passing (I use polling heavily on one project, and have a nodejs/websocket system in another, if "Channels" bloomed, it would enrich the experience significantly)
As my .02 for the original post, I somehow gave up on support long ago, but it's not entirely bad either, as it is, appengine is very mature, and even if it received 0 updates for years, it would still be useful - but - indeed, receiving swift and practical technical support would've been great - this was my recent technical challenge: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY - It's a bizarre one, when contention for one entity occurs, it's like the transaction is proceeding with a corrupt ndb system, and causing an exception that halts the execution, Instead of creating a public issue tracker issue, I ended up re-structuring my architecture so contention is less likely, it seemed like the easier option, I really didn't have the energy to go through the issue tracker process
@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those deprecations.
Post by Kaan Soral
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the 100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ - the 1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot, considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples, interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails, so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients, so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the deprecation was much more worrying
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit you're running up against and the scenario?
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
1. Access the Cloud Platform Console
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3. Navigate to preferences->Updates & Offers
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Stefano Ciccarelli
2016-11-25 20:04:59 UTC
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PK you said a big truth, we used flexible environment very much, but now
that Google deprecated the compact runtimes we have to return to standard
environment.
Post by PK
Channels are not exotic, we have been using them heavily and is a
headache for us to migrate.
This attitude of some GAE users to only care about the features they use
and call the other features exotic and in the cutting block is not helpful.
Keep in mind that what goes around comes around and the feature you depend
on will be next. If you do not use a feature that gets deprecated at least
stay silent and thankful. After all, for many GCP users with IaaS mentality
the whole GAE is exotic...
If this is how GCP does business maybe they should post a Dashboard of
each feature and how many customers use it so we know what to stay away
from..
--PK
PS btw I have been spending the thanksgiving holiday figuring out how to
migrate to a different log system and avoid/minimize the 30% price hike
coming on Dec 5. A lot of fun and good progress but I have customer
features to work on and would have preferred to be working on those
instead. I picked GAE so that I do not spend my resources doing platform
work and here I am day in/day out spending time rewriting and retesting
things that were working.
I agree, and I suspected you were talking about "Prospective Search", it
always seemed too specific, however, "Channels" were truly unique and
useful, if it was a scalable service, I would definitely use it - and I'm
saddened by it's passing (I use polling heavily on one project, and have a
nodejs/websocket system in another, if "Channels" bloomed, it would enrich
the experience significantly)
As my .02 for the original post, I somehow gave up on support long ago,
but it's not entirely bad either, as it is, appengine is very mature, and
even if it received 0 updates for years, it would still be useful - but -
indeed, receiving swift and practical technical support would've been great
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY -
It's a bizarre one, when contention for one entity occurs, it's like the
transaction is proceeding with a corrupt ndb system, and causing an
exception that halts the execution, Instead of creating a public issue
tracker issue, I ended up re-structuring my architecture so contention is
less likely, it seemed like the easier option, I really didn't have the
energy to go through the issue tracker process
@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable
and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big
problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of
an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and
XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those
deprecations.
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ - the
1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails,
so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the
world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as
turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients,
so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling
incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot
brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here
is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging
effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system.
That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we
believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have
been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide
solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit
you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Hi Kaan,
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Thomas Baldauf
2016-11-26 13:56:10 UTC
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Same here! Flex Env would have been great without the need to rewrite all the parts of our app that depend on GAE SDK APIs. I'm just wondering if they're going to deprecate it also in Standard Edition so everybody has to use the Google Cloud Client libraries in the future ...
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Renaud Tarnec
2016-11-26 21:24:33 UTC
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@PK: Hi, could you please explain a bit more in detail what is the "30%
price hike coming on Dec 5? Working exclusively in the Standard
environment, I've the
feeling I've missed an announcement.

Thanks!
Post by PK
Channels are not exotic, we have been using them heavily and is a
headache for us to migrate.
This attitude of some GAE users to only care about the features they use
and call the other features exotic and in the cutting block is not helpful.
Keep in mind that what goes around comes around and the feature you depend
on will be next. If you do not use a feature that gets deprecated at least
stay silent and thankful. After all, for many GCP users with IaaS mentality
the whole GAE is exotic...
If this is how GCP does business maybe they should post a Dashboard of
each feature and how many customers use it so we know what to stay away
from..
--PK
PS btw I have been spending the thanksgiving holiday figuring out how to
migrate to a different log system and avoid/minimize the 30% price hike
coming on Dec 5. A lot of fun and good progress but I have customer
features to work on and would have preferred to be working on those
instead. I picked GAE so that I do not spend my resources doing platform
work and here I am day in/day out spending time rewriting and retesting
things that were working.
I agree, and I suspected you were talking about "Prospective Search", it
always seemed too specific, however, "Channels" were truly unique and
useful, if it was a scalable service, I would definitely use it - and I'm
saddened by it's passing (I use polling heavily on one project, and have a
nodejs/websocket system in another, if "Channels" bloomed, it would enrich
the experience significantly)
As my .02 for the original post, I somehow gave up on support long ago,
but it's not entirely bad either, as it is, appengine is very mature, and
even if it received 0 updates for years, it would still be useful - but -
indeed, receiving swift and practical technical support would've been great
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY -
It's a bizarre one, when contention for one entity occurs, it's like the
transaction is proceeding with a corrupt ndb system, and causing an
exception that halts the execution, Instead of creating a public issue
tracker issue, I ended up re-structuring my architecture so contention is
less likely, it seemed like the easier option, I really didn't have the
energy to go through the issue tracker process
Post by Mark Cummins
@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable
and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big
problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of
an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and
XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those
deprecations.
Post by Kaan Soral
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Post by George Bittmann
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I
thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the
100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Post by Kaan Soral
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ -
the 1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service
heavily on https://geobird.com - and considering the recent 4K, 5K
resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot,
considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just
serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions
now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is
wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic
resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love
appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of
depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for
example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video
processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's
a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and
less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples,
interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each
component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send
mails, so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end
of the world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using
apps as turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their
clients, so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were
handling incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email
perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the
deprecation was much more worrying
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a
lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective
here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a
challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the
system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and
we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements
have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html>
a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP
wide solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which
limit you're running up against and the scenario?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via
Post by 'Alex (Cloud Platform Support)' via Google App Engine
Hi Kaan,
On a side note, it is possible to receive regular emails from the
1. Access the Cloud Platform Console
2. Click the “3 vertical dots” on the top-right section of the
menu
3. Navigate to preferences->Updates & Offers
4. Set email to “On” for Feature announcements
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announcements on the Cloud Platform.
Cheers,
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2016-11-26 21:46:26 UTC
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You would have received an announcement that cloud logging is moving to stackdriver. This introduces two pricing tiers, premium and basic. Everyone got a free trial of premium.

The pricing and limits are different than previously, and effectively kick in on the 5th of December.
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PK
2016-11-26 21:46:38 UTC
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Well, technically there is no price increase, there is just a degradation of the logs service for apps that generate more than 5G of logs in 30 days. However, if one wants to maintain the same quality of service one can pay more. The increase, if any, varies based on how many log statements the app generates.

I looked at our main app and based on how many logs we generate every month and how much we pay for the service, I calculated that for us, maintaining the 30 day window of logs would cost 30% more of what we pay now for AppEngine Standard.

Like I said the increase will vary for each application, you need to look at your numbers. I hope this clarifies and I am sorry for any confusion.
@PK: Hi, could you please explain a bit more in detail what is the "30% price hike coming on Dec 5? Working exclusively in the Standard environment, I've the
feeling I've missed an announcement.
Thanks!
Channels are not exotic, we have been using them heavily and is a headache for us to migrate.
This attitude of some GAE users to only care about the features they use and call the other features exotic and in the cutting block is not helpful. Keep in mind that what goes around comes around and the feature you depend on will be next. If you do not use a feature that gets deprecated at least stay silent and thankful. After all, for many GCP users with IaaS mentality the whole GAE is exotic...
If this is how GCP does business maybe they should post a Dashboard of each feature and how many customers use it so we know what to stay away from..
--PK
PS btw I have been spending the thanksgiving holiday figuring out how to migrate to a different log system and avoid/minimize the 30% price hike coming on Dec 5. A lot of fun and good progress but I have customer features to work on and would have preferred to be working on those instead. I picked GAE so that I do not spend my resources doing platform work and here I am day in/day out spending time rewriting and retesting things that were working.
I agree, and I suspected you were talking about "Prospective Search", it always seemed too specific, however, "Channels" were truly unique and useful, if it was a scalable service, I would definitely use it - and I'm saddened by it's passing (I use polling heavily on one project, and have a nodejs/websocket system in another, if "Channels" bloomed, it would enrich the experience significantly)
As my .02 for the original post, I somehow gave up on support long ago, but it's not entirely bad either, as it is, appengine is very mature, and even if it received 0 updates for years, it would still be useful - but - indeed, receiving swift and practical technical support would've been great - this was my recent technical challenge: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-appengine/A2_fr2L0fAY> - It's a bizarre one, when contention for one entity occurs, it's like the transaction is proceeding with a corrupt ndb system, and causing an exception that halts the execution, Instead of creating a public issue tracker issue, I ended up re-structuring my architecture so contention is less likely, it seemed like the easier option, I really didn't have the energy to go through the issue tracker process
@Kaan Soral. Yes, we also heavily use the images service, it's invaluable and we love it. We were also using mail, although it really wasn't a big problem to move to an external service. (Though incoming is indeed more of an issue) By exotic, I mean things like Prospective Search and XMPP/Channels. I don't think too many people were really affected by those deprecations.
It is what I meant, apologies if I was confusing
Where is the mail deprecation? Post a link if it's happening please. I thought they were only no longer approving requests to expand beyond the 100 daily limit. Is that what you mean?
Hi
Thanks a lot for the reply again
For images, https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/ <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/> - the 1600 resize limit started to age a bit, I'm using the images service heavily on https://geobird.com <https://geobird.com/> - and considering the recent 4K, 5K resolutions, even bumping the limit to 2400 would improve dynamics a lot, considering it would at least cover 1080p (Current solution is to just serve images with "=s0" - considering most devices have retina resolutions now, most images started becoming "=s0" - and a significant bandwidth is wasted for clients)
If we analyse the case for the images service, it provides dynamic resizing at instant availability, It's an invaluable service, I love appengine because it provides building blocks like these - Instead of depreciating such services, it would be lovely to see new ones, for example, a "videos" service, even though I'm using Zencoder for video processing, if we compare it to the ease of using the images service, it's a heavy burden
@Mark Cummins, I don't know what service you are calling exotic and less-used, It would be great if you could provide concrete examples, interacting with other app engine users, you would be amazed how each component is utilised and valued
If we analyse the case for mail, I personally was using it to send mails, so, while the deprecation was an extreme nuisance, it wasn't the end of the world, yet, communicating with others, I saw that some were using apps as turnkey solutions, or, they were deploying singular apps for their clients, so having a practical mail solution was crucial to them, some were handling incoming email, while things were simple from the outgoing email perspective, for an app that handled both incoming/outgoing email, the deprecation was much more worrying
Heard loud and clear on action speaking louder than words. We have a lot brewing and are excited to show it off when ready.
There have been some deprecation announcements lately. The objective here is to bring App Engine in line with the rest of GCP. This is a challenging effort because of how long App Engine pre-dates the rest of the system. That being said, we do have our users best interests at heart and we believe the future state will be a good one. Significant improvements have been made to the App Engine Admin API, which officially went GA <https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/08/automate-deployments-and-traffic-splitting-with-the-App-Engine-Admin-API.html> a couple months ago.
Regarding mail, we are currently gathering requirements for a GCP wide solution. For images, could you give more detail on exactly which limit you're running up against and the scenario?
Hi Kaan,
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Wilson Kurniawan
2017-03-01 19:21:43 UTC
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Hi Lorne,

Are there further updates on Java 8 support for GAE Standard Environment?

Cheers,
WK
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Hi there folks,
Apologies for the delayed response. We definitely hear you in that our
existing public issue tracker has not been kept up to date as best as we’d
like. That being said, a few comments on the original post here.
As mentioned, many issues have been closed as duplicate, invalid, etc.
I’ve scanned through a bunch of these issues and they all involve a member
of the Cloud Support team working with the user who posted the issue. The
final comment in these issues include a description of why the issue was
being closed with the specific status. As well, a lot of the issues logged
are unique problems with customer applications and not necessarily issues
with the platform.
Our Cloud Support team has been doing a great job at triaging the issues
as they come in. A lot of these issues have been later overlooked as we
are missing a connection between our internal and external system.
There are plans underway to migrate the public issue tracker to a new
system. In preparation we will soon be doing a bankruptcy of sorts, on
issues that are quite old and have not been modified in some time. We’ll
post full details to this group in advance. Once the new system is in
place we will do our best to keep the issues in good shape.
Regarding the App Engine standard environment, there is no deprecation
coming. We are excited about the updates to the App Engine flexible
environment that were just announced
<https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/python/upgrading>,
which will run alongside the standard environment. We are committed to
both environments, with both providing unique advantages. We are also
excited about upcoming enhancements to the standard environment that will
start to show up early in 2017, beginning with the Java 8 runtime.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Mark Cummins
I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at
Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned
in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
2017-03-21 08:03:15 UTC
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Hi Wilson,

There is definitely progress! Take a look at one of our recent blog posts
<https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2017/03/your-favorite-languages-now-on-Google-App-Engine.html>.
While this is more focused on the flex environment, near the bottom you'll
find a form to signup for the alpha release of Java 8 on standard.

Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by PK
Hi Lorne,
Are there further updates on Java 8 support for GAE Standard Environment?
Cheers,
WK
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
Hi there folks,
Apologies for the delayed response. We definitely hear you in that our
existing public issue tracker has not been kept up to date as best as we’d
like. That being said, a few comments on the original post here.
As mentioned, many issues have been closed as duplicate, invalid, etc.
I’ve scanned through a bunch of these issues and they all involve a member
of the Cloud Support team working with the user who posted the issue. The
final comment in these issues include a description of why the issue was
being closed with the specific status. As well, a lot of the issues logged
are unique problems with customer applications and not necessarily issues
with the platform.
Our Cloud Support team has been doing a great job at triaging the issues
as they come in. A lot of these issues have been later overlooked as we
are missing a connection between our internal and external system.
There are plans underway to migrate the public issue tracker to a new
system. In preparation we will soon be doing a bankruptcy of sorts, on
issues that are quite old and have not been modified in some time. We’ll
post full details to this group in advance. Once the new system is in
place we will do our best to keep the issues in good shape.
Regarding the App Engine standard environment, there is no deprecation
coming. We are excited about the updates to the App Engine flexible
environment that were just announced
<https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/python/upgrading>,
which will run alongside the standard environment. We are committed to
both environments, with both providing unique advantages. We are also
excited about upcoming enhancements to the standard environment that will
start to show up early in 2017, beginning with the Java 8 runtime.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Mark Cummins
I also am beginning to fear a "GAE deprecation email". Could anyone at
Google give any reassurance on this? Is GAE standard going to be abandoned
in favour of managed VMs (which are actually very different)?
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Я Юь
2016-11-04 00:12:06 UTC
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Google Abandoned Engine?
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supercobra
2016-11-04 19:58:18 UTC
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That's too bad Google is not improving GAE as much anymore. We (company)
are now using Spring/Tomcat AWS and Postgres because it's more up to date
(Java 8), flexible and AWS has great (paying) support. GAE is a great
platform though, beats them all IMO but it needs some improvements like
Java 8, ORM, emails (that was removed), etc..

GAE is definitively a gem.
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Dimitri Adamou
2016-12-01 22:26:34 UTC
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Thanks for posting this topic, it has been a very frustrating ride with GAE
- some of these bugs have made me use creative solutions; but holy hell are
they silly bugs!!!!! (I've opened issue reports for them since over 2+
years ago and they are only "acknowledged") - would love active feedback OR
I would love instructions on how to contribute to the project so I can
benefit my business.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and the
like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
That makes 10 bugs fixed by the App Engine "Engineering Team".
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'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
2016-12-16 23:37:32 UTC
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To close the loop here, there was a decision to postpone charging for logs
overages until we can provide you with more control over which Google Cloud
Platform logs you choose to send to Stackdriver Logging. An email was sent
a little while back with more details.

@Kaan, you'll be happy to know we were able to bump up the image resize
limit from 1600 to 3200 pixels. It didn't make the cut this year but
should be out in the first release of 2017.

As well we'll move forward with improved management of public issues in the
new year.

Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Dimitri Adamou
Thanks for posting this topic, it has been a very frustrating ride with
GAE - some of these bugs have made me use creative solutions; but holy hell
are they silly bugs!!!!! (I've opened issue reports for them since over 2+
years ago and they are only "acknowledged") - would love active feedback OR
I would love instructions on how to contribute to the project so I can
benefit my business.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-stat
us%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and
the like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
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Kaan Soral
2016-12-17 18:07:56 UTC
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Wow, no words to describe how awesome that is <3
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
To close the loop here, there was a decision to postpone charging for logs
overages until we can provide you with more control over which Google Cloud
Platform logs you choose to send to Stackdriver Logging. An email was sent
a little while back with more details.
@Kaan, you'll be happy to know we were able to bump up the image resize
limit from 1600 to 3200 pixels. It didn't make the cut this year but
should be out in the first release of 2017.
As well we'll move forward with improved management of public issues in
the new year.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Dimitri Adamou
Thanks for posting this topic, it has been a very frustrating ride with
GAE - some of these bugs have made me use creative solutions; but holy hell
are they silly bugs!!!!! (I've opened issue reports for them since over 2+
years ago and they are only "acknowledged") - would love active feedback OR
I would love instructions on how to contribute to the project so I can
benefit my business.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and
the like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
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Amaury Gauthier
2017-02-24 11:01:53 UTC
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Hello Lorne,

Can you confirm that the bump from 1600px to 3200px is already effective in
production for Image API? It seems that passing the parameter "=s3200"
works, but the documentation still mentions 1600px as the limit.

Cheers,
Amaury
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
To close the loop here, there was a decision to postpone charging for logs
overages until we can provide you with more control over which Google Cloud
Platform logs you choose to send to Stackdriver Logging. An email was sent
a little while back with more details.
@Kaan, you'll be happy to know we were able to bump up the image resize
limit from 1600 to 3200 pixels. It didn't make the cut this year but
should be out in the first release of 2017.
As well we'll move forward with improved management of public issues in
the new year.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Dimitri Adamou
Thanks for posting this topic, it has been a very frustrating ride with
GAE - some of these bugs have made me use creative solutions; but holy hell
are they silly bugs!!!!! (I've opened issue reports for them since over 2+
years ago and they are only "acknowledged") - would love active feedback OR
I would love instructions on how to contribute to the project so I can
benefit my business.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and
the like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
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'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
2017-02-24 19:53:09 UTC
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Yep, its definitely live. We'll get the docs updated right away!
Post by Amaury Gauthier
Hello Lorne,
Can you confirm that the bump from 1600px to 3200px is already effective
in production for Image API? It seems that passing the parameter "=s3200"
works, but the documentation still mentions 1600px as the limit.
Cheers,
Amaury
Post by 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine
To close the loop here, there was a decision to postpone charging for
logs overages until we can provide you with more control over which Google
Cloud Platform logs you choose to send to Stackdriver Logging. An email
was sent a little while back with more details.
@Kaan, you'll be happy to know we were able to bump up the image resize
limit from 1600 to 3200 pixels. It didn't make the cut this year but
should be out in the first release of 2017.
As well we'll move forward with improved management of public issues in
the new year.
Cheers,
Lorne.
Post by Dimitri Adamou
Thanks for posting this topic, it has been a very frustrating ride with
GAE - some of these bugs have made me use creative solutions; but holy hell
are they silly bugs!!!!! (I've opened issue reports for them since over 2+
years ago and they are only "acknowledged") - would love active feedback OR
I would love instructions on how to contribute to the project so I can
benefit my business.
Post by pdknsk
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ All 707 (public) bugs reported in the past 12 months.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365&sort=-id
^ 322 are still open.
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+closed-after%3Atoday-365+-stat
us%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 355 were closed for reasons other than Fixed (Invalid, Duplicate and
the like).
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=1&
q=opened-after%3Atoday-365+status%3Afixed&sort=-id
^ 30 were fixed.
14 are Go bugs, which are fixed by the Go team.
4 are SDK bugs, which are usually fixed by the gcloud team.
1 was closed as fixed, but isn't.
1 is a typo.
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